Hove Free Form Guide | Full Fields | Race 4 | Thursday, 03rd July 2025

18:59

Race 4

Fastest Time: 0:28.69 Candolim Monsoon 03 Oct 2024 SOT:

GBP £395

500m ALL WEATHER

44x52

1. SIGNORA VELOCE (IRE)

J E HARVEY

Form

Odds

3yo BL B | Sire: Kinloch Brae (USA) | Dam: Glengar Smasher (Gb)

Career 42: 3 9 7

Course 20: 1 5 2

Last 12m 24: 1 6 2

Dist 29: 2 8 3

First Up 4: 0 0 2

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 4: 1 3 0

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 42: 3 9 7

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 7% - 45%

Season 12: 0 4 1

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
2 of 6	0.5L	28-Jun-2025	CNPK	GBP £725	277m	AW	3	$34		MOANTEEN LUCY
5 of 5	6L	21-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	2	$4.333	3.62	JONALEENS LADY
2 months 13 days
4 of 5	5.7L	09-Apr-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	1	$6	3.68	FRONT UNO
4 of 5	6.4L	29-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	1	$7	3.63	FIRE SNOW
5 of 5	6.8L	20-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$2.75	3.52	SAINT MAGA
5 of 5	5.5L	16-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$6	3.62	OWER MYSTERY
3 of 6	7.2L	06-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	285m	AW	3	$7		CLOHEENA SYDNEY
2 of 5	4.2L	23-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$2.875	3.55	BRINKLEYS GINGER
2 of 6	1.8L	30-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	500m	AW	2	$10	3.54	DROOPYS INVENT
5 of 5	2.6L	25-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	1	$5	3.57	BURROWS DIAMOND

33534

3. GLENGAR AURORA (IRE)

P J BROWNE

Form

Odds

3yo BLU/WH B | Sire: Droopys Sydney (Ire) | Dam: Glengarbadminton (Ire)

Career 62: 11 7 13

Course 18: 4 1 5

Last 12m 30: 4 2 8

Dist 56: 11 6 11

First Up 5: 0 1 2

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 5: 1 1 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 58: 11 6 13

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 18% - 50%

Season 9: 0 0 5

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
4 of 5	3.6L	22-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$4.333	3.59	BLAZEAWAY KISS
3 of 5	1.5L	15-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$3.25	3.65	SAINT MAGA
5 of 5	3.8L	05-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$2.75	3.73	CITIZEN KING
3 of 5	6L	24-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$4.333	3.67	BURROWS EMERALD
3 of 5	2.8L	11-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$3	3.65	SPORTING BAFTA
4 of 5	3.2L	03-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$2.625	3.56	WHISTLING WIFE
3 months 15 days
3 of 6	3.5L	18-Jan-2025	OXF	GBP £600	450m	AW	3	$26		BALLINABOLA BILL
3 of 5	2L	09-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	3	$4.5		CANDOLIM PEARL
5 of 5	11.2L	04-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	3	$4	3.57	BURROWS TRIGGER
2 of 5	2L	28-Dec-2024	HOVE	GBP £425	500m	AW	3	$2.625	3.49	HOPES MELODY

35314

4. BARBIE BULLET (IRE)

B S GREEN

Form

Odds

3yo BL B | Sire: Ballymac Kingdom (Ire) | Dam: Droopys Poise (Ire)

Career 51: 8 14 10

Course 50: 8 14 10

Last 12m 36: 5 8 6

Dist 34: 6 11 7

First Up 2: 0 0 1

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 1 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 51: 8 14 10

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 16% - 63%

Season 14: 2 3 3

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
4 of 5	12.5L	26-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	695m	AW	5	$9	14.66	ROMEO EMPIRE
1 of 5	0.3L	19-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$34	14.24	ART RIDDLER
3 of 5	5.6L	15-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £455	500m	AW	5	$4	3.62	DAZL HERMES
5 of 5	6.6L	05-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$21	14.3	MINSTRELS SIX
3 of 6	4.5L	29-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	695m	AW	3	$12	14.45	HARLEQUIN BEAUTY
5 of 5	2.2L	22-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$10	14.46	MINSTRELS SIX
2 of 5	2L	17-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	5	$2.5	3.63	TAYLORSTOWN JET
2 of 5	1.8L	07-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	4	$3	3.6	RISING AMBER
4 of 5	3.5L	02-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	5	$5.5	3.66	BELOVED BULLET
1 of 5	1.8L	27-Apr-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	4	$6	3.64	STOPOVER

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5. MINEOLA SURPRISE (IRE)

G S BYFORD

Form

Odds

3yo BL D | Sire: Premier Fantasy (Ire) | Dam: Mineola Radical (Ire)

Career 54: 10 11 7

Course 44: 7 10 7

Last 12m 44: 7 10 7

Dist 49: 9 11 6

First Up 2: 1 0 0

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 0 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 46: 8 11 7

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 19% - 52%

Season 26: 5 8 3

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
2 of 5	0.5L	27-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$9	3.6	AMAZING FORCE
1 of 6	5L	21-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £445	500m	AW	6	$19	3.55	IM JUSTA PEALING
4 of 5	4.2L	14-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	5	$8	3.73	IVY HILL JAKE
4 of 5	1.8L	07-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.66	MILLBANK JOJO
1 of 5	1.5L	31-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	6	$3.5	3.68	SWIFT KENZO
4 of 6	1.8L	24-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £440	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.61	TURNA TINA
2 of 5	3L	18-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	6	$5	3.59	DONEGAL MATTIE
2 of 5	1.8L	14-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$8	3.61	SULLANE BISCUIT
6 of 6	7.8L	09-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £445	500m	AW	6	$9	3.65	MINSTRELS SIX
1 of 5	2.8L	04-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	5	$3.5	3.65	ME FIFI

22331

6. HOLLYHILL LYNX (IRE)

G S BYFORD

Form

Odds

2yo BLU D | Sire: Malachi (Ire) | Dam: Hollyhill Robyn (Ire)

Career 26: 7 5 5

Course 23: 6 3 5

Last 12m 26: 7 5 5

Dist 26: 7 5 5

First Up 2: 1 1 0

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 2 0

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 26: 7 5 5

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 27% - 65%

Season 15: 4 2 2

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
1 of 5	0.3L	25-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$4	3.57	IMONLYTWINK
3 of 5	5L	20-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$5	3.66	BURROWS RUBY
3 of 5	2.8L	11-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.5	3.57	YOUGO FREDDIE
2 of 5	2.2L	04-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$3	3.63	SLIPALONG PEG
2 of 5	2.2L	28-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.59	YOUGO FINN
2 months 24 days
4 of 5	9.5L	05-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.333	3.65	ZSUZSI
4 of 5	3.2L	26-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.5	3.65	MILLIE THE ARB
5 of 6	5.7L	20-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	6	$3.75	3.64	CLOHEENA RODNEY
5 of 5	3.2L	14-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	6	$7	3.57	AVARUA REMUS
5 of 5	6.2L	06-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £795	500m	AW	6	$34	3.55	CUTE OUT

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SIGNORA VELOCE (IRE) 3B

TRK

DIST

J E HARVEY

(1)

J E HARVEY

3yo BL B | Sire: Kinloch Brae (USA) | Dam: Glengar Smasher (Gb)

Career 42: 3 9 7

Course 20: 1 5 2

Last 12m 24: 1 6 2

Dist 29: 2 8 3

First Up 4: 0 0 2

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 4: 1 3 0

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 42: 3 9 7

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 7% - 45%

Season 12: 0 4 1

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
2 of 6	0.5L	28-Jun-2025	CNPK	GBP £725	277m	AW	3	$34		MOANTEEN LUCY
5 of 5	6L	21-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	2	$4.333	3.62	JONALEENS LADY
2 months 13 days
4 of 5	5.7L	09-Apr-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	1	$6	3.68	FRONT UNO
4 of 5	6.4L	29-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	1	$7	3.63	FIRE SNOW
5 of 5	6.8L	20-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$2.75	3.52	SAINT MAGA
5 of 5	5.5L	16-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$6	3.62	OWER MYSTERY
3 of 6	7.2L	06-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	285m	AW	3	$7		CLOHEENA SYDNEY
2 of 5	4.2L	23-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	2	$2.875	3.55	BRINKLEYS GINGER
2 of 6	1.8L	30-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	500m	AW	2	$10	3.54	DROOPYS INVENT
5 of 5	2.6L	25-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	1	$5	3.57	BURROWS DIAMOND

33534

GLENGAR AURORA (IRE) 3B

TRK

DIST

P J BROWNE

(3)

P J BROWNE

3yo BLU/WH B | Sire: Droopys Sydney (Ire) | Dam: Glengarbadminton (Ire)

Career 62: 11 7 13

Course 18: 4 1 5

Last 12m 30: 4 2 8

Dist 56: 11 6 11

First Up 5: 0 1 2

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 5: 1 1 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 58: 11 6 13

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 18% - 50%

Season 9: 0 0 5

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
4 of 5	3.6L	22-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$4.333	3.59	BLAZEAWAY KISS
3 of 5	1.5L	15-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$3.25	3.65	SAINT MAGA
5 of 5	3.8L	05-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$2.75	3.73	CITIZEN KING
3 of 5	6L	24-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$4.333	3.67	BURROWS EMERALD
3 of 5	2.8L	11-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$3	3.65	SPORTING BAFTA
4 of 5	3.2L	03-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	3	$2.625	3.56	WHISTLING WIFE
3 months 15 days
3 of 6	3.5L	18-Jan-2025	OXF	GBP £600	450m	AW	3	$26		BALLINABOLA BILL
3 of 5	2L	09-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	3	$4.5		CANDOLIM PEARL
5 of 5	11.2L	04-Jan-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	3	$4	3.57	BURROWS TRIGGER
2 of 5	2L	28-Dec-2024	HOVE	GBP £425	500m	AW	3	$2.625	3.49	HOPES MELODY

35314

BARBIE BULLET (IRE) 3B

TRK

DIST

B S GREEN

(4)

B S GREEN

3yo BL B | Sire: Ballymac Kingdom (Ire) | Dam: Droopys Poise (Ire)

Career 51: 8 14 10

Course 50: 8 14 10

Last 12m 36: 5 8 6

Dist 34: 6 11 7

First Up 2: 0 0 1

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 1 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 51: 8 14 10

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 16% - 63%

Season 14: 2 3 3

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
4 of 5	12.5L	26-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	695m	AW	5	$9	14.66	ROMEO EMPIRE
1 of 5	0.3L	19-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$34	14.24	ART RIDDLER
3 of 5	5.6L	15-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £455	500m	AW	5	$4	3.62	DAZL HERMES
5 of 5	6.6L	05-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$21	14.3	MINSTRELS SIX
3 of 6	4.5L	29-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £625	695m	AW	3	$12	14.45	HARLEQUIN BEAUTY
5 of 5	2.2L	22-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £560	695m	AW	5	$10	14.46	MINSTRELS SIX
2 of 5	2L	17-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	5	$2.5	3.63	TAYLORSTOWN JET
2 of 5	1.8L	07-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	4	$3	3.6	RISING AMBER
4 of 5	3.5L	02-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	5	$5.5	3.66	BELOVED BULLET
1 of 5	1.8L	27-Apr-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	4	$6	3.64	STOPOVER

14412

MINEOLA SURPRISE (IRE) 3D

TRK

DIST

G S BYFORD

(5)

G S BYFORD

3yo BL D | Sire: Premier Fantasy (Ire) | Dam: Mineola Radical (Ire)

Career 54: 10 11 7

Course 44: 7 10 7

Last 12m 44: 7 10 7

Dist 49: 9 11 6

First Up 2: 1 0 0

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 0 1

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 46: 8 11 7

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 19% - 52%

Season 26: 5 8 3

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
2 of 5	0.5L	27-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$9	3.6	AMAZING FORCE
1 of 6	5L	21-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £445	500m	AW	6	$19	3.55	IM JUSTA PEALING
4 of 5	4.2L	14-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	5	$8	3.73	IVY HILL JAKE
4 of 5	1.8L	07-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.66	MILLBANK JOJO
1 of 5	1.5L	31-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	6	$3.5	3.68	SWIFT KENZO
4 of 6	1.8L	24-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £440	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.61	TURNA TINA
2 of 5	3L	18-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	6	$5	3.59	DONEGAL MATTIE
2 of 5	1.8L	14-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$8	3.61	SULLANE BISCUIT
6 of 6	7.8L	09-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £445	500m	AW	6	$9	3.65	MINSTRELS SIX
1 of 5	2.8L	04-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £380	500m	AW	5	$3.5	3.65	ME FIFI

22331

HOLLYHILL LYNX (IRE) 2D

TRK

DIST

G S BYFORD

(6)

G S BYFORD

2yo BLU D | Sire: Malachi (Ire) | Dam: Hollyhill Robyn (Ire)

Career 26: 7 5 5

Course 23: 6 3 5

Last 12m 26: 7 5 5

Dist 26: 7 5 5

First Up 2: 1 1 0

Firm 0: 0 0 0

Second Up 2: 0 2 0

Good 0: 0 0 0

AW 26: 7 5 5

Soft 0: 0 0 0

Turf 0: 0 0 0

Heavy 0: 0 0 0

W% - P% 27% - 65%

Season 15: 4 2 2

FP	Marg	Date	Trk	$R.PM	Dist	SOT	Box	SP	Sec.Time	Winner/2nd
1 of 5	0.3L	25-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £385	500m	AW	6	$4	3.57	IMONLYTWINK
3 of 5	5L	20-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$5	3.66	BURROWS RUBY
3 of 5	2.8L	11-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.5	3.57	YOUGO FREDDIE
2 of 5	2.2L	04-Jun-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$3	3.63	SLIPALONG PEG
2 of 5	2.2L	28-May-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$5.5	3.59	YOUGO FINN
2 months 24 days
4 of 5	9.5L	05-Mar-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.333	3.65	ZSUZSI
4 of 5	3.2L	26-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £395	500m	AW	6	$4.5	3.65	MILLIE THE ARB
5 of 6	5.7L	20-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £465	500m	AW	6	$3.75	3.64	CLOHEENA RODNEY
5 of 5	3.2L	14-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £405	500m	AW	6	$7	3.57	AVARUA REMUS
5 of 5	6.2L	06-Feb-2025	HOVE	GBP £795	500m	AW	6	$34	3.55	CUTE OUT

Computer Selection Panels

R&S Tips	Rated to Win	12M	$L12M	Career SR
4. BARBIE BULLET	4. BARBIE BULLET	3. GLENGAR AURORA	4. BARBIE BULLET	6. HOLLYHILL LYNX
3. GLENGAR AURORA	5. MINEOLA SURPRISE	4. BARBIE BULLET	6. HOLLYHILL LYNX	5. MINEOLA SURPRISE
1. SIGNORA VELOCE	6. HOLLYHILL LYNX	1. SIGNORA VELOCE	3. GLENGAR AURORA	4. BARBIE BULLET

4 BARBIE BULLET (13pts)	6 HOLLYHILL LYNX (9pts)	3 GLENGAR AURORA (6pts)	5 MINEOLA SURPRISE (6pts)	1 SIGNORA VELOCE (2pts)

R&S Tips

4. BARBIE BULLET

3. GLENGAR AURORA

1. SIGNORA VELOCE

Rate to Win

4. BARBIE BULLET

5. MINEOLA SURPRISE

6. HOLLYHILL LYNX

12M

3. GLENGAR AURORA

4. BARBIE BULLET

1. SIGNORA VELOCE

$L12M

4. BARBIE BULLET

6. HOLLYHILL LYNX

3. GLENGAR AURORA

Career SR

6. HOLLYHILL LYNX

5. MINEOLA SURPRISE

4. BARBIE BULLET

4 BARBIE BULLET (13 pts)

6 HOLLYHILL LYNX (9 pts)

3 GLENGAR AURORA (6 pts)

5 MINEOLA SURPRISE (6 pts)

1 SIGNORA VELOCE (2 pts)

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Hove Form Guide (Race 4) | Full Fields

Thursday, 03rd July 2025

Race 4

Race 4

3yo BL B | Sire: Kinloch Brae (USA) | Dam: Glengar Smasher (Gb)

2 months 13 days

3yo BLU/WH B | Sire: Droopys Sydney (Ire) | Dam: Glengarbadminton (Ire)

3 months 15 days

3yo BL B | Sire: Ballymac Kingdom (Ire) | Dam: Droopys Poise (Ire)

3yo BL D | Sire: Premier Fantasy (Ire) | Dam: Mineola Radical (Ire)

2yo BLU D | Sire: Malachi (Ire) | Dam: Hollyhill Robyn (Ire)

2 months 24 days

3yo BL B | Sire: Kinloch Brae (USA) | Dam: Glengar Smasher (Gb)

2 months 13 days

3yo BLU/WH B | Sire: Droopys Sydney (Ire) | Dam: Glengarbadminton (Ire)

3 months 15 days

3yo BL B | Sire: Ballymac Kingdom (Ire) | Dam: Droopys Poise (Ire)

3yo BL D | Sire: Premier Fantasy (Ire) | Dam: Mineola Radical (Ire)

2yo BLU D | Sire: Malachi (Ire) | Dam: Hollyhill Robyn (Ire)

2 months 24 days

R&S Tips

Rate to Win

12M

$L12M

Career SR

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